Pocket Beagles

Okay, thanks for setting me straight about pocket beagles. I missed some of the things you all mentioned and I'm glad you caught it and told me.

I'm still thinking about either buying a rat terrier( my old, regular breed don't breed no more, so I have to find another good reputable breeder, do you know any/) or i might adopt a rat terrier mix at the local animal shelter.

My question is:
What breed of dog, size don't matter, would you recommend. We live out in the country, have a huge yard space.

Also tell why you recommend this breed.

I have had goldens, labs, great danes, mt. bernese, pyrnese, newfs.

I have had rat terriers, JRTS, chow mixes, siberain huskies. I currently have a yorkshire terrier, he's about 5-6 months. We're going to wait till he's about a year or so before getting another puppy, so i have time to do more research on breeds and stuff.

So any suggestions?
Thanks for the answers AND opinion, digusted by idiots, rat terriers are a great breed and not junky JRTs…there is a difference between the two breeds..

I'm going to visit those sites. thanks

I think it's best not to determine the breed you want beforehand because when you see the dog that is right for you, no matter what kind of dog it is, you will know. One suggestion I do have though is to look for one on this site. It posts dogs at kill shelters, the dogs have a few days or even a few hours left before they are killed if nobody saves them. Buying a dog would just be promoting more overpopulation and it would be killing a dog at a shelter. I think it's always better to save a life and I think it's great that you're considering that option.

This is the website. I would search with your zip code first because sometimes out of state dogs are closer than some of the dogs in your state. If you don't find any you like using your zip, then search with your state.

http://dogsindanger.com/

Please note that the site is updated hourly so if you don't see any the first time you look, that doesn't mean there won't be any that you will like.

P.S: it sounds like a big dog would love living at your house with that big yard!

Good luck and let me know if you see anything on the site! Hope I helped =)

And another site you can try if you really don't see any you like on the other site:

http://petfinder.org/

Okay people lets see how many fake dog breeds we can name!!!

By fake I mean two runts breed, designer dogs…..

Examples:mini aussies, pocket beagles, teacup chis……the list goes on……..
I breed golden eagls (beagle/golden retrievers)
Proud byb!!
(just jking!!!)
how would this be a mini saint??

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/m/ministbernard.htm

that was me (cindy) about the golden eagles!!
i started this breed!!! lol
oohhhh!!! my dog is worth hundreds!!!!

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/doxle.htm

who would have thought I would find a designer breed at the pound!!! lol.

Here's my contribution:

This is a Dachsheagle. (Dachshund x Beagle)

This is a Splab. (spaniel x lab)

No, it is just a marketing term to charge more money.

IDK, go to www.petfinders.com to search. Hope I helped

The reason I started this thread was that I came upon Pocket Beagles while attempting to select a breed that would work well for people with musculoskeletal diseases and serious orthopedic injuries, the main treatment of which is frequent daily walks. A medium active dog small enough to live in an apartment happily, but not so small they could be carried or cleaned up after inside would help tremendously because these illnesses produce pain and sometimes depression which amotivates the client from the activity necessary for the slowing and treatment of their disease. For complex reasons, a small hound (Dachshunds are sometimes too small or not active enough, Beagles too active and large, toy Q.E.'s are out of the question, but mini's seem promising) would do the trick. That's when I learned about Q.E.'s and the controversery. If only a "small number" of dogs are bred for working, why not limit deliberate breeeding of dogs to working dogs only?

Not all dogs of ANY breed are suitable to be trained as a working dog. Working dogs need to have a specific temperament for the type of work they will be doing. Only a small percentage of dogs are capable of becoming working dogs.

If you were able to deliberately breed a dog to become working dogs, then all labs would be able to be guide dogs and all GSDs could be police dogs. Truth is, many dogs fail training.

Beagles as a breed are stubborn dogs who follow their noses. Their strong sense of scent is why they are used at airports to sniff out agricultural products. They are not often a breed associated with assisting disabled people. I've never heard of Pocket Beagle. To me it sounds as if someone is trying to pass off a hybred or Beagle cross as a legit breed.

There are many dogs that are capable of assisting those with a disability. I have a mini schnauzer who is small enough to be kept in an apartment and active enough to keep me going. My disability is a pain related one.

Frequent daily walks is not the main treatment in musculosketeal diseases and orthopedic injuries. I don't know where you came up with this. Yes, daily exercise is needed, but what exercises a person needs is different based on the person and the illness or injury. Surly a person with an arm or shoulder injury wouldn't need to exercise in the same way a person with a hip or knee injury would.

I think my two dogs are Pocket Beagles. They are very short (about 8-11 inches at the withers. I was watching Animal Planet today for some reason and on Breed All About It, they had a segment about Beagles. I was intrested and kept watching. I then came across this part of the show. They were talking about Pocket Beagles. 7-12 inches at the withers. They said that the breed is not so common any more. My two 6 year old beagles came from the same litter. The mom was a 13 in. The dad was not on the grounds. Are my dogs Pocket Beagles?
They aren't from a breeder, puppy mill, petstore.
They weren't classified as Pocket Beagles. Can there be two runts in a litter?
My uncle's neighbor, who has a purebred beagle.

No, your dogs are Beagles that are poorly bred.

Just enjoy them, and don't breed them. I have an awfully bred GS Pointer- join the club!

EDIT: LOL mine was a rescue- big mistake that was! [kidding.] She's gorgeous as far as looks go, but you can tell her parents were nutcases.

EDIT 2: If Daddy wasn't on the grounds, do you really know they're Beagles?

There's a "purebred" AKC Lab in my puppy class, but she's got brown speckles all over her. Daddy might have been a mix, or just a runt himself. You can also have multiple dads to a litter- like the Lab puppy.

My boyfriend loves beagles, but because of our apartment restrictions, we can't have one. I found a few ads for "pocket beagles" or "English Loughner beagles" online, but precious little information exists. Is this a legitimate breed? Do they have some awful genetic issue because of inbreeding to make them that small? What's going on here?
yes I KNOW it's not listed on any registry… I kind of checked that out. The reason I ask is because my family had a great miniature australian shepherd – absolutely fantastic dog, but you won't find it registered anywhere (back then… now it's more popular, so it might be). Has anyone seen a pocket beagle or knows what they're like… BEYOND just saying that it isn't on a registry.

I'd beware of any breed called 'pocket', 'teacup,' 'miniature' or any such thing. I don't believe they are recognized by the Kennel Club Association of any country. Miniature breeds are simply the offspring of one small dog which has been bred to another small dog of the same breed. These dogs are more likely to have medical problems, as they are more likely to have been inbred. Take a look at this site, it does a good job in telling you more about what the 'pocket beagle' was, which does not exist anymore…

http://www.beagles-on-the-web.com/questions/

You can also find out more about beagles in general and if they are suitable for you and your lifestyle. Kudos for doing your research before taking the big step of buying/adopting a dog!

I know the evils of breeders of so-called teacup whatevers, but this site doesn't claim to have bred the size down. It actually makes the claim that the "pocket" beagles were used for hunting before the beagles that we know today. There's just something that doesn't seem right about it, though *possibly the fact that they're charging $1000+ for a BEAGLE. they're great and all, but… don't get me started on that. Also, I've never heard of a tiny beagle, I thought they were small as it was*
I'm not in the market for one, so don't give me any crap about me wasteing my money or blah blah blah, I don't want to hear it. Even if I was, since when was the term "my money" synonomous with "your money?"
Anyways, is it a real breed *obviously not recongnized by the AKC, but not all breeds are, and I'm NOT reffering to designer dogs* that's just very little known, or bogus?

http://www.pocketbeaglesusa.com/

I don't claim to know all that much, but Tyke, you're claiming to have read this question. I never said I was interested in one of these dogs. I said I wasn't interested, hadn't heard of the breed, and wanted to know if it was real or not. I know I hadn't meantioned that the puppies on the page by no means looked uniform in facial features *a few pups had wrinkles on their face, i dunno what that's reffered to, but i ain't never seen a true beagle pup that looked like that*

But anyways, it was a question of the legitimacy, having nothing to do with me wanting one. And there are such things as little known breeds that aren't commonly spoke of *breeds accetpted by the AKC don't count* but there are hundreds of breeds people don't beleive exist simply because THEY reffuse the AKC, and I've heard that it's because the AKC is very money oriented, and alot of the smaller breed clubs don't much like that.

Its bogus.
Beagles in England are followed on foot not on horseback. Some mounted packs do have carried dogs but these are terriers for when a fox has gone to ground.
Actually only one size Beagle is recognized by The Kennel Club and the desirable size range is from 13" – 16".

Although I do believe Queen Elizabeth Pocket beagles are a mixed breed, Olde English Pocket beagles are pure. Yes, they are not able to registered under AKC but they are pure beagles. Think about it, in every litter you get a pup thats just a bit smaller than the others. Breeders just took these pups and bred them together, and then in their litters there would be a pup that was a bit smaller, and after a while you have puppies ranging from 8" to 12". So when someone says they sell Pocket Beagles, it does not mean that they are selling puppy mill dogs or mutts. In the past, Olde English Pocket beagles were 8" to 9" inch puppies used for hunting. They were called pocket beagles because they fit in the horses saddle bag. They went extinct and now some breeders are trying to bring them back. Right now, they are not recognized by AKC but they are not mutts, they are pure beagle. (Again, I cannot say this for every breeder, Queen Elizabeth's are deffinitly questionable.)
Yes, runts can be unhealthy but who says these dogs are runts? What if you take two 13" beagles and breed them together and get a couple of 12" beagles? What if you do so again and get 11" beagles? This would take a very long time but eventually you could have healthy, small beagles. The three breeders I know of that had done this and have extremely healthy beagles are www.Pocket-beagle.com, http://www.pocketbeaglesusa.com/ and www.classicpocketbeagles.com. Mostly they are just 10" to 11" dogs. Yes, they are not "true" beagles under AKC – but they are only bred with beagles so they also are not "true" mutts, right?

As for Queen Elizabeth's pocket beagles – I agree, they are way over priced mutts.
They may not be recognized by the AKC, but they are by the UKC. The United Kennel Club says the height for a beagle is 15" and under. All of pocketbeagleusa.com's dogs are registered with the UKC.

When someone asks about the pocket beagle, everyone attacks them saying they don't exist and they are simply puppy mill dogs or mutts. I'm just argueing that this is not always so. Yes, you probably should not buy a dog from a pet store being called a "pocket beagle." And many breeders could be lying as well. But there are pocket beagle that a bred well, that don't have many health problems, and are not mutts.

On the other hand, aren't all dogs mutts? We created every breed by mixing them and eventually calling one a pure bred. And now our pure bred dogs have TONS of health problems from being bred too close together. Deaf, blind, "rage syndrom," dogs who chase their tales until they die…

There are Olde English Pocket Beagles that are good, healthy dogs.
And actually, under the AKC's guidelines, the Olde English Pocket beagle could still be considered a regular beagle.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/beagle/

"Varieties
There shall be two varieties:
Thirteen Inch–which shall be for hounds not exceeding 13 inches in height.
Fifteen Inch–which shall be for hounds over 13 but not exceeding 15 inches in height."

No exceeding 13", that qualifies them as beagles.

According to Beagle breed standard, no. There are two size divisions – 13 inch and 15 inch.
Anything smaller does mean that the dogs are being bred irresponsibly by puppymillers and those out to make money – because an undersized runt would not make a show champion, would not be considered suitable for bettering the breed, and thus anyone who bred it simply to get small puppies would be practicing irresponsible breeding.

Anybody who's a sap enough to believe they're buying something special deserves everything they get. If you love the Beagle, you love its history and value what the breed has been bred for – you wouldn't want to make it 'pocket size' or more fragile.

Add: The Beagle Club of America also has this to say about 'Olde English Pocket Beagles' – point number 24: http://clubs.akc.org/NBC/NBC_FAQs.html#24.
The breeders trying to 'bring them back' are no different to the breeders trying to use similar flawed logic to make new breeds out of mixes.

Are Queen Elizabeth Pocket Beagles easy to train?
the more information you can give me, the better!

Breed standards exist for a reason- and any of this "mutants" such as pockets, teacups, etc. are really runts being bred to runts. This is NOT healthy, and there can be many health issues with them.
Not to mention, these dogs are not being bred by responsible breeders. Health testing is not being done. If you want a small dog, please find one that is MEANT to be small. Going for a teacup, pocket, etc. will cause you nothing but heartache.

ADD: to Lillian's- your logic is flawed. Since no "reputable" breeder would intentionally breed these dogs, and only reputable breeders do health testiing. Reputable breeders would never intentionally breed a dog that was OUT of the breed standard- simply for money's sake.